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Compare Winona Knit Camo System to The Knit Tree's Shadow Maze Knit Camouflage Clothing

By Sharon Nani / Designer and owner of The Knit Tree

Winona Camo System of the 1980's and The Knit Tree Camouflage Clothing are Both: Silent, 3 color jacquard knit camouflage systems

I am often asked “How does your knit camouflage clothing compare to Bob Fratzke’s knit Winona Camo System of the 1980’s?”  This was a hard question to answer before because I had never seen a Winona jacket or sweater in person.  In Feb, 2010, a bow hunter, Grainger, from Northern California, brought me his 1980’s Knit Winona Jacket, which was now worn out, to see if I could apply my Shadow Maze Camo design to the Winona jacket body style, with a few personal alterations to meet his hunting and personal needs.  This knitting challenge has also given me the opportunity to finally answer the question in this article “How does your camouflage knit clothing compare to Bob Fratzke’s Winona Camo System?”.  (note: Bob Fratzke’s Winona Camo System is no longer being manufactured, but I’m told some pieces can sometimes can be found on Ebay.)  Thank you, Grainger, for this knitting challenge and sharing your Winona experience with me.

“My Shadow Maze Knit Camouflage line of camo clothing and accessories are developed to meet the needs of my clients. 

As a knit technician, and owner of the cottage industry ‘The Knit Tree’, I have always enjoyed the challenge of designing and knitting the special requests of customers.  In 2006, Matt Howe, a bow hunter from Michigan, saw some of my camouflage sweaters and visor beanies on my web site, theknittree.com.   He contacted me to develop knit camouflage sweaters, knit beanies and knit over pants to meet his Bow Hunting needs.  Please read my article “Camouflage Clothing for Hunting and Knit Yarn Properties” to see this development process with the guidance and expertise of bow hunter, Matt and see Matt’s bow hunting success wearing my Shadow Maze Camo knits since 2006 in this photo to the right..  Since that time, various camouflage clients requested different body styles of knit camo sweaters, jackets, beanies, and accessories.  As these requests are designed and handloomed they are added to our Knit Camouflage Clothing. To see the current Camouflage line of Knit Clothing and knit accessories available go to our online store.

First, I am a knitting technician and designer, not a hunter. (note: although I came from a hunting family from Wi) Therefore, my goal is just to make my clients happy by designing camouflage clothing that fulfills their requests in fabric, style, and construction.  Not all requests are cost effective, and as the designer it is also my job to determine what projects can be added to our Camouflage line of clothing and accessories and what compromises can be made with the client to satisfy their request. 

The easiest way to compare Bob Fratzke’s knit Winona Camo System to The Knit Tree’s Shadow Maze knit Camouflage clothing is in the following table of photos taken during the construction and hand looming of the Knit Winona Jacket Body Style Camo Reproduction for my client, Grainger.

Matt wearing The Knit Trees Camouflage Jacket, pants and visor hat

Note: Click on all images in this article to see enlarged views of photos

Knit Fabric and Graphic
         
The camouflage graphic design “Shadow Maze” is what is applied to my garments.  This graphic has proven successful for bow hunters across the USA and Canada.  When I designed this graphic, I called it shadow maze because it reminded me of puzzle pieces with a casting around them.  Notice the comparison size of graphic is approximately the same as Winona Camo design.  I have had a few clients ask that this design be doubled in size for particular projects – I refer to this as ‘Jumbo Shadow Maze’.

         
  Winona Knit Graphic Camo Design   Shadow Maze Camo Graphic by The Knit Tree: Color E: Camel / Black Brown Shadow Maze Camo Graphic by The Knit Tree: Color Q: Deep Mocha / Black / Brown
  Winona Knit Graphic Camo Design   Shadow Maze Camo Graphic by The Knit Tree: Color E: Camel / Black / Brown Shadow Maze Camo Graphic by The Knit Tree: Color Q: Deep Mocha / Black / Brown
 

Winona Jacket Knit Fabric:
This jacket is 100% acrylic, although Matt Howe, Michigan bow hunter, supplied the following information:
 “Winona's shell was always pure acrylic fabric.  However, Fratzke did add a synthetic wool lining to several of his jackets/vests/pullovers.  Usually this was only located in the chest/torso/neck part of the garment.  He would leave the sleeves uninsulated.  He would make insulated & uninsulated versions of his designs. .  I think our system of adding real wool to the actual garment shell is much more effective.”

 

Shadow Maze Knit Fabric choices (pricing varies):
1.  blend of silky merino wool and acrylic (% varies with style).  This jacket is 34% merino /66% acrylic
2.  one can request  100% acrylic
3.  one can request  100% merino wool in some products

This knit fabric is hand loomed on a Passap E8000 knitting machine by combining different ends of acrylic and merino wool yarn for the three colors.  The fact that the stitch is tighter then Winona knit fabric and the fact that this has merino wool blended with the acrylic results in a heavier fabric. 

         
  Winona knit is 8.5 sts/" and 8.5 visual rows / "   Shadow Maze Camo fabric is 10.5 stiches per inche and 10.5 visual rows per inch The Knit Tree Camo Fabric is 10.5 sts/" and 10.5 visual rows / inch
 

Winona knit is 8.5 sts/" and 8.5 visual rows / "

The finished weight of this Winona jacket is 16 ounces.

 

The Knit Tree's Shadow Maze Camo fabric is 10.5 stiches per inch and 10.5 visual rows per inch

The finished weight of this jacket is 36 ounces. (note body is 3 inches longer and sleeves are approx. 2 inches longer then the Winona Jacket --- see sizing section and it has the addition of the merino wool yarn which adds denseness to the knit fabric. The merino allows for more warmth with the natural wicking properties).

         
 

Both The Knit Tree’s Shadow Maze knit camo by Sharon Nani and Winona knit Camo system by Bob Fratzke fulfill the characteristics desired by hunters of being SILENT and a graphic of the correct size that breaks up the silhouette.

         
 

Color Ways

  The winona jacket has the 2 color swatches from The Knit Tree Superimposed on the top  

 

The winona jacket of the 1980's (pictured to the left) has the 2 color swatches from The Knit Tree that are 66% acrylic / 34% merino wool Superimposed on the top to more closely observe the color differences from 1980 to 2010. The difference of the addition of merino with the acrylic in The Knit Tree swatches will also produce different color hues then the same color way offered in 100% acrylic or 100% merino.

Current day merino and acrylic yarn color availability is different than in the 1980’s.  Put that together with the state of today’s economy and the cutback of yarn availability; color ways can change with no notice. 

Since, The Knit Tree does not make mass produced items and each camouflage order is custom knit, the client does have the option to create his/her own color way dependent upon the available colors for merino wool

One can also choose between some of the standard color ways other clients have ordered.  In this case, the goal was to offer color ways that were closest to this 1980’s Winona Jacket with the yarns that are available today.

To best show the comparison,  the photo to the left shows the 2 knit color ways by Sharon Nani of The Knit Tree on top of the Winona Jacket. Also, refer to the swatches above.

         
 

Sizing

         
 

The sizing of knits in general in the 1980’s was a much tighter fit then in today’s knit fashions.  Set in sleeves (like these knits) were the most fashionable style in the 1980’s.  This style of sleeve is the most fitted of all the sleeve styles even today.  The cap formation allows for less fabric under the arms which is important to bow hunters.  The main normal difference between cap sleeves of the 1980’s and today’s cap sleeves is clearly shown in the depth of the armhole and the height of the sleeve cap.   For example, the Winona Knit is a size XL with a finished chest measurement of 48”.  Its armhole depth is 9.5” with a very short sleeve cap of 5.5”.  The measurement at the upper arm is approx. 17” On a large person this small armhole depth and short cap could be very binding in arm movement.  (see Matt’s comments below).  In Today’s standard industry:  the same 48” finished chest sweater would still have the 17” upper arm so no slack under the arm, but it would have an armhole depth of about 10.3” and a sleeve cap height of 7.5”.  And it would be called a size Large instead of XL. This would be less binding on a large person.
                In the case of this client's Winona Jacket Reproduction body style, the client is tall and slender. So the sleeve cap was made like Winona’s for this client, but in grading for the larger sizes, I will go to a more standard depth armhole to elimate the bind for larger people.  See Matt’s Sizing Comments below:

“In comparing to Winona in sizing, I don't have much to add.  As a bow hunter I was looking for a silent clothing system, and from all my research Winona was the best in silence.  My friend had a head to toe set which he'd been using since his beginnings in bow hunting.  He was more successful than any bow hunter I knew, so I set out to get a set.   Over a year (pieces are few and far between) I purchased a set on ebay piece by piece (and paid a premium!).  However I am just too big for Winona sizing.  I was buying XL & XXL Winona sizes & it was fitting me (6ft 2 in, 250lbs) like spandex.  I ended up selling it all to my brother (6ft, 180lbs) because it was uncomfortable to wear, it fits him great.   This is when I started contacting knitters to get a custom outfit made... and you responded... and the rest is history.  SO... I know for a fact that Winona sizing is much smaller than yours, as you said, tight fitting.”

Note: for all The Knit Tree’s sweater styles a chart is shown in each product description showing all the finished measurements along with sizing tips for that style,  each style has a different type of ease (how much bigger the finished measurement is to your actual chest measurement.  Therefore, if a clients likes a tighter fit, they can order a smaller size.  Since each garment is custom knit, one can personalize their desired body and sleeve length if desired. Look at the photos below of the 'same knit jackets' on different size models.

Remember to click on the images to see enlargements of the photos.

  Winona XL knit camo jacket  

photo to left: Winona Camouflage Jacket, shirt collar XL

Winona Finished Measurements for XL (said to fit actual chest measurement of 42"- 44")
Finished Chest: 48”
Sleeve Length:  35” width around upper arm: 17"
Body Length:     26”

photo to right: The Knit Tree Shadow Maze Camo Jacket with a Crew Neck (also can have shirt collar option) L

Knit Tree Finished Measurements for L for this style which is a reproduction of the Winona therefore uses its basic sizing structure for grading the different sizes. (sizing chart says to fit actual chest measurement of 42"- 44")
finished Chest: 48”
Sleeve Length:  34”         This client requested 36.5”
Body Length:     28”         This client requested 29”

Model is a actual chest 42"; arm length of 33", 6'2", so on this model their is an 'ease factor of 6" (48-42=6") note: the arms are too long for this model, the client's arm length was 37" so it was knit longer than the standard.

The Knit Tree Shadow Maze XL knit camo jacket
         
  Winona Camo XL jacket  

Model is a actual chest 34"; arm length of 32", 6'2", so on this model their is an 'ease factor of 14" (48-34=14") For him, he still looks great in these camo jackets!

This is a case where young people like 'oversize' for fashion, but these would not be very useful for hunting!!

I only show this to illustrate that 'you' pick the size by how much ease you like in your garment. Tight fit for hunting in this body style is approximately 6" bigger then your actual chest measurement. If you are going to wear this as an 'overjacket' and have layers under it, you would want more ease and go to a larger size.

Always refer to the sizing chart within the body style to see the recommended amount of ease for that particular style. This jacket is originally meant to be 'fitted' ---- but the choice is yours dependant upon your use --- hunting, layered, unlayered, or just for fashion.

Also note that my sizing labels differ but they still are based on actual chest measurement. Winona XL is The Knit Tree L (changed from these photos when I did the actual pattern grading)

The Knit Tree Shadow Maze Winona Reproduction knit camo Jacket with Crew Neck
         
 

Knit Details and Construction

         
 

The knit style is in the details.  Clients ask “Can you make a hand warmer pocket, cargo pocket, zipper pocket, slash pocket?”  “Can you make a crew neck, a shirt collar neck, a tab neck, a turtle neck, a V- neck, put on a hood?”  “Can you make a full fashion sleeve, a cap sleeve, a raglan sleeve, a sleeveless vest?”  Then, how about the trims --- “Can I have ribbing hems, double rib hems, tubular hems?”,  “Can I have button closures, zipper closures, velcro closers?”  Put all these different things together in different combinations and you have a different Knit Camouflage Style!  I always laugh as I think of “Pick a Part”.  But if one person likes something particular, there is bound to be another one that will like the same thing! And that is the Joy of Creativity!

         
  Winona camo jacket has a shirt collar with zipper closure   The Knit Tree Camo Jacket shirt collar with zipper extenion The Knit Tree Camo Jacket Winona Reproduction with Crew Neck zipper closure
  Winona camo jacket of the 1980"s has a shirt collar with zipper closure   The Knit Tree Camo Jacket Winona Reproduction shirt collar with zipper extenion: color E The Knit Tree Camo Jacket Winona Reproduction with Crew Neck zipper closure: color Q
         
  Winona Camouflage knit jacket pocket details  

The 1980’s Knit Winona Camouflage Jacket has:


 a slash pocket rib with an inside facing hand warmer pocket


1 x 1 single rib trims at wrist and waist


Front zipper closure with Shirt collar – zipper extended into collar


Assembly construction was done with a serger

Winona Camo knit jacket inside pocket details
  Winona Camouflage knit jacket of the 1980's pocket and rib trim details     Winona Camo knit jacket inside pocket and serged seams details
  Knit Tree's knit camo Winona Reproduction jacket pocket and trim details  

The Knit Tree’s Knit Winona Camouflage Jacket Reproduction has:


a slash pocket rib with an inside facing hand warmer pocket
1 x 1 single rib trims at wrist and waist
Front zipper closure with Crew neck collar  1 x 1 double rib – zipper extended into collar
Option:  Choice can select the traditional Shirt collar with zipper extended into collar

Assembly construction:  all edges of pieces are serged separately to encase the seam allowance; rib bands are linked on with the same yarn for elasticity; pieces are joined with a straight stitch sewing machine, inside pocket facing was hand stitched at top to keep invisible seam from showing on front (the fabric was too thick for a blind hem with a sewing machine).

Pocket Entrance Option: instead of 1 x 1 Rib, can choose camo fabric tubular welt

Knit Tree's knit camo Winona Reproduction jacket inside construction details
  Knit Tree's knit camo Winona Reproduction jacket pocket and trim details     Knit Tree's knit camo Winona Reproduction jacket inside construction details
         
 

How to Care for Your Knit

         
 

The Winona fabric is 100% acrylic its wash and wear label says: Machine wash: warm, gentle cycle / Tumble Dry low Remove Promptly.


The Knit Tree care label for acrylic would be the same; but this is a merino wool/acrylic blend; so the care label states: machine wash cold water / knit cycle (which would be gentle)  and lay flat to dry.  Matt says for the last 4 years this is how he has cared for his knit camo jacket and knit camo pants:


For washing, I have never been that careful.  I use a mild unscented detergent & machine wash it on delicate cycle if not very soiled, and normal cycle if they are very dirty.  For drying I put them on medium heat and dry them till they are damp (15/20 minutes).   I then lay them out & let them dry completely in the air - preferably outside (always conscious of scent).  Great thing is they never shrink.“

         
 

Wear ability and Wear and Tare

     
         
 

All knits will snag in the rough wooded environment of hunting, but the silence of the fabric far outweighs this fact.  Jacquards knits are a more stable fabric and the tightness of the stitches does make it less snaggable then some other knit fabrications.  The best one to answer the question of how does The Knit Tree’s camo system hold up under the rough conditions of hunting in brush and wooded areas would be from a customer who has used the different knits.  So I emailed Matt Howe, the bow hunter who ordered the first Shadow Maze knit camo items and has used them heavily for 4 years and asked him for a ‘wear ability’ review of what state his camo knits were in today after the years of usage.  I also linked to his item in our online store so you could see what he was referring to. This was his answer:  (also refer to how he washed and dried his camo knits above)

  Matt's camo outfit from The Knit Tree after 4 years of hunting wear  

“Sharon,

My stuff is still looking good.  My traditional stocking/skull caps are all in excellent shape.  My "newsboy" style caps (my 2 favorite which I wear the most) with the little plastic bill you put in them are looking good, but they are thinning out where the plastic edge of the bill rubs the fabric.   No holes or anything, but the occasional string fraying.  Nothing you can notice by just looking at them, but I notice because I wear them so much.

My top coat you made (design taken from that black fleece) still looks like new.  It has a little wear & tear showing on my chest from where it rubs against trees while climbing, and on my back which rubs the tree while I'm sitting/hunting.  But overall it looks great still.  

The pants are looking decent.  They by far take the most abuse.  Walking in/out of the woods is often a trip through brush/prickers/barbs etc.  Also, when climbing trees & hanging stands I'm often clinging to the trees with my thighs/legs and the pants hang up on the bark.  The pants also get washed the most because after a successful hunt, when field dressing/dragging the deer out I end up getting blood on them.  The knees also take a lot of abuse from kneeling in brush/snow.  They are fraying a bit & have some small holes, I seek your advice on patching them up.  

Rankings - 10 being new in package, 1 being junk:
Hats:  9
Beanies: 7.5
Jacket:  8.5
Pants:  6  

This of course is biased though because I wear my pants & newsboy style beanies the most.... pretty much EVERY time I go hunting which is 3-5 times weekly from October 1st to Dec. 31st.  I also wear my snow camo beanie around town in the winter & while doing outdoor chores.”

         
         
  Winona Camo Knit Jacket of the 1980 by Bob Fratzke  

I hope this article answers your questions about The Knit Tree’s Shadow Maze Knit Camouflage Clothing and knit accessories and how this camo system compares to the famous knit Winona Camo System. 

Enjoy reading The Reviews from the customers in our Online Store, and judge for yourself on the comparisons. 

My intent was never to compete with Bob Fratzke’s wonderful Winona Camo System, but just to please and fulfill the requests and needs of my customers. 

The Knit Tree's Shadow Maze Camo knit of the Winona Reproduction Jacket by Sharon Nani
  Winona Camo Knit Jacket of the 1980 by Bob Fratzke     The Knit Tree's Shadow Maze Camo knit of the Winona Reproduction Camouflage Jacket by Sharon Nani
         
 

Thank you, everyone,  for your support of this Cottage Industry and the Custom Camouflage Knits Hand loomed in Redding, Ca USA






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